Toxic Pinoy culture

^ Ay naku agree on consultation: Nakaka-disappoint yung mga dati mong close na kaibigan or malayong kamag-anak na kapag ikaw nangangamusta dedma lang then you hear back from them sa messenger, tapos ang primary reason lang pala pag contact sa iyo eh magpa-consult ng illness nila. As in wala man lang “Can I?” or “Is this within your specialty/expertise?” Basta send-an ka na lang ng picture or results (usually sila din yung mga hindi nakikinig sa GP nila or specialist, o kaya nakahingi na ng 2nd opinion sa iba, and in the end non-compliant pa rin sila and will end up resorting to essential oils or other home remedies) :lol:

@moonflower - not exclusive to our culture, I’ll have previous patients message me (looked me up in FB, hence I’ve changed my name several times) even when they’re not in my empanelment any more and often I just ignore. Pero yung iba hindi ko rin ma-ignore dahil acquaintance, to which I usually reply, “Sorry due to liability I can’t really offer any medical opinion here on FB, please schedule an appointment with your medical provider.”

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Ang daming pakialamero. Pedeng choice mo kung magwowork ka sa abroad or hindi? Kung anuman ang magiging buhay mo sa abroad, masarap man o mahirap, wala na silang paki dun. Yung ang gusto mo eh. Di na lang maging supportive. Sana palitan nila ng magiging supportive yung toxic attitude na yan. :rolleyes:

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@Jane @Gesundheit Unnecessary stress ano? Haaay. At the very least I try to help kasi baka last resort ako before mag essential oils but then nawawala kasi yung err respect? Na not all the time I work, I want to also be a normal being attending a wedding hehe. If patients ko personally mas madali @Jane kasi alam ko history nila (I give my personal number para pag emergency) but maybe baka kasi naive pa ako dahil starting pa lang :lol:

Concerns pa nila is Pedia or totally hindi ko field so I TRY to politely tell them na I can recommend other doctors who can help them better like what you said @Gesundheit. I’ve never heard bad comments naman but baka hindi na nila sinabi sakin hahaha

OffT: @Jane pinangarap ko din maging military doctor before! Hihi. Umabot ako sa interview with generals.

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@moonflower, @Jane, sa V. Luna ako naginternship, muntik na rin akong magresidency dun at magmilitary doctor. Military doctor yung lolo ko before he passed away in 1985. I think Pinoy culture nga ang magonline consult sa iyo para lang makalibre. Yung iba nirereplyan ko naman kung mga general questions about a disease. Pero kung parang nagpapadiagnose na, sabihan ko talaga na better to consult a doctor na. Yung iba mangungulit pa na sige na Doc, anong puwede kong inumin (would you believe may isang nagconsult pa wanting me to prescribe an abortifacient sheesh!).

Also, expect nyo na maging ninang sa binyag (or kasal) lalo na pag mataas na position (even other professions like lawyer, etc). Yun pa isang toxic sa atin. Ginagamit mga anak for aguinaldo. Hay. Ako pag pumili ng ninang, hindi for the gifts. Hindi kami dumadayo sa bahay ng ninang/ninong pag pasko, sinasabi ko hindi nila kailangan magbigay ng Christmas gift sa anak ko.

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UTANG (na hindi binabayaran)! Di ko alam if Pinoys lang to pero experienced it several times now. When these people think na hindi problema pera, wala kang ‘pamilya na sinusuportahan’, pwede ka nang utangan tapos unli time yung pagbayad. Ikaw pa mahihiya maningil :joy: THEN makikita mo naka branded wallets, lakas magpost ng foodtrips. Hay naku :argue:

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Speaking of. Ang toxic ng ugaling pinoy na nagbabahay bahay kapag pasko. Jusko. Bakit hindi i-spend ang time with family, imbes na mangolekta ng aguinaldo.

Toxic rin yung kapag ninang ka, automatic kailangan may gift ka sa bata. I mean i get it, Christmas is for kids yada yada yada pero yung tipong magchachat pa si kumare na ipa LBC na lang ang gift, dios mio! NKKLK. Tapos ija judge ka pa kapag maliit lang ang gift or hindi branded. Hindi naman yan ang silbi dapat ng ninong at ninang!

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Tsaka yung kukunin ka as ninong/ninang kahit hindi kayo close, porket feeling nila maykaya at magara kung mag aginaldo.

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@Jane, nafigure out ko rin na you work for the military from your posts. Pero ang galing lang because you’re flexible and can work in different specialties. At bilib din ako kaya nyong magmove anywhere, parang hindi ko kaya with my family.

OnT: about the ninang thing, dati may nagmessage sa akin sa FB, nakasama ko lang sya magreview sa boards ng nutrition tapos sabi nya ninang daw ako ng anak nya pero di naman ako nakabalitang may binyag pala! Kung meron man, hindi ako nainvite. :rotfl: Tapos dati may pumunta sa house namin sa Antipolo, dati daw silang neighbors namin at hinahanap dad ko kasi ninong daw sya nung anak nya. Nasa U.S. na parents ko so pinasabi ko sa helper namin na wala sya. Tapos the next day bumalik ulit. Hinahanap naman ako. Gusto ata humingi ng aguinaldo sa akin. :lol: I asked my dad about it wala syang naalala na may inaanak sya. :rotflmao:

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OK. This triggered an infuriating memory :embarasslaff: Mapapakwento ako. Nagswitch sa PC imbes na phone sa couch with my oatmeal :rotflmao:

This happened to hubby and me 4 years ago na ata, childless pa kami nun. Hubby has an uncle na nakatira just a city over from where we live, a childless Pinoy couple in their early 50s. All of a sudden, they decided to up and leave and move back to Pinas to retire. Nakakagulat kasi when they announced this move, a week before that, he was showing hubby his plans for his patio. It was so out of the blue kaya Hubby and I joked na it’s probably one of 2 things: 1) they struck it big sa Lotto at ayaw mamalato, or 2) they murdered somebody and are trying to get away with it.

At any rate, they said they were selling everything, their home, cars, everything. They told us to come over, pick the stuff we want or they’re just gonna get donated or trashed. So we’re like: OK. Hubby wanted the fish tank because he is a fish tank person. Ending, we scored a fish tank, a barely used treadmill, a huge flat screen, Corelle dinnerware, unused charcuterie set, used wine glasses, and a fully-grown, fruit-bearing kalamansi plant (the best of the lot IMO). Take note, we didn’t need any of these things. We already have 3 TVs in the house at kumpleto na kami sa dinnerware and cookware. They made it seem like we were doing them a favor by taking the stuff off their hands dahil di naman nila madadala sa Pinas and they’d barely get anything for them in a garage sale which they didnt have time to organize daw.

So ayun, they listed their house in record time and then stayed at my in-laws’ house for the time being while waiting for their house to be sold. Then one day, my MIL called hubby to say na they are driving up that day and kasunod nila sina Uncle and tita. Tito and Tita need to stay at our place daw for a week or however long it takes to sell their truck. Hubby was furious because we were leaving for an extended out of town vacay in 3 days. We would be busy packing and getting things in order (stopping mail, automatic sprinklers, locking the garage door, etc.). No time to entertain unexpected guests. Eto pa when they did arrive, the uncle spoke to hubby alone by the front door, where he could see me clearly from where I was in the dining room at the time. But he spoke in low tones to my hubby even though I could clearly hear his stage whisper na kesyo ganito, need magstay sa house etc. Ako naman, I’m the wife, I live here too, parang nakakainsulto na si hubby lang kakausapin, porke siya ang kamag-anak mo? But siyempre, wala kami magagawa, we felt like the used stuff that were supposed to be “gifts” became a loaded trojan horse from which unlimited favors will come. And it did become that, kasi when they came back a year later for a short trip to the US, they sprung their visit on us and the in laws with only 3 days lead time. Eh may trip to DC ang mga in-laws that time, and they routed their outgoing flight via our city so they can spend a couple of days with us before they flew out. So mega rearrange ng schedules andflights ang in laws ko so they can pick up the tito and tita at the airport close to their home (5 hour drive from us). And because empty ang house nila, they foisted the tito and tita on us kasi couple of days lang daw naman. And yun nga, we got a lot of free stuff from them! :rotfl: After that second unannounced ambush visit, I returned most of the things we got to my MIL and told her to return it all to tito and tita. Bwisit yan.

Bakit parang walang common sense man lang? Common courtesy? Sabihan mo naman with plenty of time to prepare yung pupuntahan mo, di porke kamag-anak mo basta basta ka nalang pupunta sa bahay nila, disrupting schedules. Hindi nagrerevolve ang mundo sa buhay niyo. :twak:

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Ay ito din! May nag message sakin na ilang years na daw ako may utang sa anak nya kasi ninang daw ako. Sabi ko ha? E di ko nga kilala anak mo. And sa tanang buhay ko, memorize ko kung kelan ako nag attend at nang ninang sa binyag. And si ate ghorl, pinicturean ang certificate of baptism nung anak nya. nakasulat nga pangalan ko. pero may proxy. sabi nya, “ayan o. sinabihan kaya kita na ninang ka”. So ako naman, mega backread sa messages years ago. Buti nalang andun pa and scrineenshot ko, sent it to her kung saan expressly ko sinabi sa statement nya noon na, no I do not want to be ninang because for me being a ninang means being able to be there for the child while growing up and I cannot take that responsibility. And I said ang “no” ko nun, ay inignore nya. But still, sagot nya e “bawal kaya humindi pag inalok na magninang sa binyag.” :woman_facepalming:

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@abbymaria, oh my! Di ko maimagine what you went through! I feel so bad for you to have to experience that. Kainis nga!

@Gesundheit, bakit nga hindi puwedeng tumanggi magninang noh? Ako rin may list ng mga inaanak, and their birthdays. Ninang ako pag umattend ako sa binyag ng anak mo, period. Kung hindi man naka-attend (like nasa province ka nakatira, at nasa Manila ako that time or out of the country), ok lang basta sinabihan ng maayos before the binyag, at merong at least invitation. :biggrin:

OnT: Yung Pinoy time na kahit nasa ibang bansa, late pa rin? Oo mga Pinoy tayo at puro Pinoy din ang bisita sa party, pero bakit kailangan laging late? Nung nasa Pinas pa kami, gusto ko on time ako. Tsaka huwag magpromise na nandun ka sa time na yun (ex. tulong sa pagprepare ng party) kung hindi ka naman sisipot. Hay sorry ranting na 'to. :lol:

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I have formulated a reply pag someone asked me to be ninang and I don’t want to (i.e. hindi ko siya close, hindi kami close, at never ko makaksalamuha anak niya): “Atheist ako, kaya I won’t be able to help with the child’s spiritual upbringing”. I have yet to test my stock response :rotfl:

Relate din sa mga nagmemessage lang para mangutang or magsolicit. I was recently added to a group chat ng mga elementary school batchmates ko–yun pala para sure source ng funds kapag alumni reunions lol. nagbigay ako pero sobrang konti lang (2K pesos) haha! Ang mantra ko sa nonessential spending ay: give if you have extra, and out of that extra, set a limit and never exceed it, and never explain or say stuff like: “pagpasensyahan niyo na” or “sorry yan lang nakayanan ko”. I don’t need to apologize for giving money. If it’s maliit, I can take it back and put it on my IRA :embarasslaff: Nasabihan na kaya ako ng “kuripot mo naman” or “para ka’ng di nasa America” kasi “maliit” ako magbigay. Because I totally moved to the US so I can give you money whenever you ask. Not.

Which brings me to the next toxic cultural trait naten: ang “pakikisama”. Bata pa ako hindi na ako marunong makisama. It’s only when I got old enough to speak up about it and not feel bad about it na naisip ko na no, ang concept ng pakikisama, tulad ng utang na loob ay dapat ilibing na din sa limot. Both utang na loob and pakikisama breed the culture of corruption and nepotism sa gobyerno natin.

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On pakikisama, I’ve had the worst of it when I was still on a plant-based diet. For a time, talagang hindi ako pumupunta sa gatherings, dahil lagi naman akong nadi-disenfranchise, foodwise.

Kaso the work that I do entails a lot of community interaction, sa mga kanayunan. They prepare the best of their produce to make you feel welcome. (Side note: I think burden din sa kanila, kasi karamihan ay mahirap. Malaking bagay na 'yon na ihanda para sa bisita ang choicest alagang manok or best catch, for example, imbes na ibenta.) So. Kapag kainan na, I’d kind of be emotionally blackmailed (?) Tipong, o, tikman mo 'yong fish, minsan lang naman na nandito ka. Ang daming times na sige, titikim ako, a bite, then will excuse myself to spit it out. I communicate well in advance my dietary preferences (allergies, etc.), at madalas may dala naman ako na sarili kong food. Pero may barang barrier e, if I don’t partake in the communal feast. Eventually, I yielded and went back to consuming meat again.

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Toxic for me ang pinoy cultural trait na “utang na loob”. Just because someone helped you buong buhay may utang na loob ka na. Why? Kung tutulong, huwag umasa na may kapalit.

And hindi din nakakatuwa na porket nasa US ako, expected na ako ang taya sa lahat ng meetups or reunions. I’m naturally generous at magkukusa ako offer to foot the bill IF i want to, pero may mga times na kahit wala sa usapan na ako taya, ako pa din ang nagbayad kasi walang bumubunot pagkatapos ng meal.

Yung pagka chismoso at pakialamero ng mga pinoy relatives. I purposely live apart from my family because I value my privacy. Tapos makakarinig ka ng comments na negative lalo kung hindi ka aattend ng birthday parties or kasal ng family member. Required na alam nila trabaho mo, saan ka nakatira at kung gaano kalaki bahay mo. Geez. Basta ako, wala akong pakialam kahit relative kita kung hindi tayo close, wag ka umasang magsasabi ako tungkol sa buhay ko at kung magkano sweldo at gaano kalaki property ko :roll_eyes: :roll_eyes: :roll_eyes:

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I think what you described is good old fashioned kindness. And many Pinoys do have this trait in abundance. The toxic pakikisama I want to point out is the type that is detrimental to personal relationships and also within organizations. Yung mananahimik ka kahit may nakikita kang mali or inappropriate kasi dapat makisama ka. Yung codependency i think nanggagaling sa excessive people pleasing aka pakikisama. Ayaw mo makaoffend or masabihang walang pakisama so you suppress your own needs and downplay your opinions or contributions. Going against your own value system kasi everybody else is doing it and you’re expected to do the same.

Side note: mahirap talagang maging vegan sa Pinas. I really believe (and this may be an unpopular opinion) that veganism is the crusade of the wealthy white man. It is not very sustainable nor healthy in developing nations
I could be wrong. :peace:

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OMG may naalala akong similar story. Naiinis tuloy ako! Yung porke kamag-anak ka, matic na pede ka nang tumira sa bahay nang di nagpapaalam. Worst, they think it was the relatives’ obligation to do that. :rolleyes:

Meron akong tita na hindi ko talaga makasundo. Nakakababatang kapatid ng nanay ko pero sutil sya. She never respected my mom and she talks behind our backs (sa buong pamilya namin). Anyway, patay na ang nanay ko so hindi na namin sya kinausap at all. Tapos one time last year, nagulat na lang kami yung anak nya (pinsan ko galing Iloilo), dumating sa bahay namin sa Manila at dun daw sa bahay namin tutuloy kasi maghahanap ng work. :woman_facepalming:

Nung sinabi siguro ng pinsan ko na nakarating na sya sa bahay namin, tumawag tong tita ko sa tatay ko. Hinahabilin yung anak nya. Hindi man lang nagpaalam kung pede makitira sa min! Pinatira na lang ng tatay ko kahit nabwisit sya. Then nakita ng kapatid ko (nung mga sumunod na araw) na nagtetext tong tita ko sa pinsan ko na nagtatanong kung pinapakain ba namin sya ng masarap. Wow talaga! Kapal ng fes! :fuming:

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Ramdam ko si @insane_pauper. Alam ko yung hirap ng taong tumatanggap ng bisita.

OnT: Ayoko sa abusado sa “Filipino hospitality”. Kapag umuuwi ako minsan ng province, I ask my parents if okay lang that I stay in a hotel downtown kasi ayokong maabala sila. If I do this with my parents, how much more sa ibang tao? Like ayoko talaga na nagko-cause ng abala at maging abusado. I know Filipino households would actually give you their best pillows and bedrooms, and ihahain yung nakatagong corned beef sa aparador galing abroad. No, I don’t like that kind of abala. I am close to my parents, it’s just that personally, ayoko na naaabala ako so di ko gagawin sa ibang tao yun kahit pa magulang ko sila.

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Hindi naman masyado toxic, pero di ko lang magets: Mahilig tayo mag bansag. Like PNoy panot, Dutae… Baket? Nakakatulong?

Minsan kasi tuloy nattrivialize yung issue dahil sa mga ganyan.

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Medyo nanggigil ako at a trigger while reading back. Naka relate ako sa karamihan.

Isa pa, sa family naman ng OFWs, na hindi man lang kinukumusta ang tatay/nanay nila maliban sa hihingi ng iPhone or laptops. May isang Pinoy dito grabe sa pagtitipid sa sarili nya at sweldo nya all for his kids and the wife’s family. Yung anak na 9 years old nanghingi ng iPhone at MacBook. Yung in-laws nya had branded sneakers. As in puro pasalubong laman ng maleta nya. Kaloka. Dahil di naman malaki sweldo nya, nangutang pa bago umuwi.

I don’t know why families or even just adults are perpetuating this kind of behavior imbes na pagsabihan or humindi.

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^ totoo yan. ang ayaw ko talaga sa mga kaibigan kong OFW ay may ugali silang mapangmata. :wow:

dahil nakakaangat na sila sa buhay, naging entitled na sila. entitled to look down on other people. sobrang badtrip. lalo na yung mga OFW na DDS. Ang yayabang. Ayaw naman umuwi ng Pilipinas.

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